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mattchuck2
12-16-2006, 12:21 PM
http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/121506GoreExpansion.html

NICE . . .

jimmer
12-16-2006, 12:55 PM
I dont think expansion is what gore needs, gores a small mt with small mt mentality,when ever something new goes in somewhere else on the mt goes neglected example being top ridge chair put that chair in close two ,summit & north.it takes them forever to blow snow on what they have now so why add more. expansion would be nice i just dont think they will handle it very well or fairly.you are probly saying summit & north chairs are always open, not true.i ski mostly midweek and its very rare to have them running.im not a hater i love gore mt. :!: b 8)

highpeaksdrifter
12-16-2006, 07:44 PM
Pataki has been great for both Gore and Whiteface, I hope our new gov will be as good.

The Rail system from Saratoga to North Creek seems like a waste to me, hope I'm wrong.

If anyone has any maps or specific info on the trail expansion please post it.

Harvey44
12-16-2006, 08:41 PM
I agree that doing whatever it takes to improve the snowmaking is more important. Think about it. If all that terrain was added right now, instead of the mountain being "14% open" it would be 9% open. I'm not really blaming Gore - even Jay Peak is in desparate straits right now. I have to say I'm surprised the investors want to go ahead with the condo project, with so many marginal years in a row.

M

mattchuck2
12-16-2006, 10:13 PM
Hmmm . . interesting points . . . .

First of all, I think that the Topridge Expansion was excellent for Gore. While it is true that the North Chair is closed more often, I firmly believe they open the summit chair as much as they can. Besides, the addition of High Pines, Topridge and Uncas (plus the elimination of the hike on Cloud) are more than worth the loss of the high peaks chair on certain weekdays.

As far as snowmaking, it's kind of weird. Every year they announce some kind of expansion in the snowmaking capacity, or new guns, or new snowmaking sources - but every year they never seem to make snow as fast as they did the year before. I do wish they could open more terrain faster. Killington has 42 trails open right now, I don't see any reason that Gore only has 4, especially with the Hudson River in the backyard.

The railroad extension seems like a waste of money to me too. Screw that. The drive is not that bad, and as much as I'm in favor of public transportation to reduce dependence on foreign oil, forget it. I don't really see why anyone would have to take a train to Gore (except for people from NYC, I guess).

Finally, I don't really care what the percentage of trails they have open is, as long as they have a bunch of trails open for me to ski. While some people have raised concerns about the new trails being at a lower elevation, and therefore succumbing more to global warming, I really think it won't be an issue for the coming years. Making trails off of Burnt ridge will give a bunch of east-southeast facing runs around the base area, increasing the fun factor for spring skiing tremendously. It's true, we have had a bunch of "interesting" years lately, but I feel as though the coming years will be fantastic, and it's better to look forward than to look behind in situations like this.


More Gore.

Harvey44
12-17-2006, 09:05 AM
Matt,

I was being a little facetious about trail percentage. I don't really care about the number. I was really saying that I'm betting the trip reports from yesterday would be the same regardless of the addition of more terrain.

I also think Topridge was a great addition. For one, I love the fact that when I come down for the late afternoon to connect up with my wife it's more fun to do some Topridge and work my way over, as opposed to facing Cloud. Also, I'm not a snowmaking expert, but there must be something ideal about Topridge for early season skiing, since it's been open it's the first place they blow snow, while it used to be Showcase. (Actually I kinda miss Showcase.)

I do think the snowmaking and grooming has gotten better over the last ten years, and even the last five. But Gore still doesn't have whatever it is (what is it? money? profit motive? air pressure?) to get terrain open like those with bigger commitments to snowmaking like Hunta, Kmart.

Don't get me wrong, I love Gore. We've made our committment to Gore, building our little cabin/camp in North River. I love getting up before first light, before my wife is awake, making coffee, and looking for the groomers headlight as he finishes up on Cloud.

I agree with you on most of what you said, and I REALLY hope that your optimism about the future is well placed.

Mark

slayer
12-17-2006, 11:42 AM
http://www.adirondackrealtor.net/North_Creek_Ski_Bowl/page_953047.html

alexcaraco
12-17-2006, 12:24 PM
http://www.adirondackrealtor.net/North_Creek_Ski_Bowl/page_953047.html

kind of hard to see all that

But, i do think that expansion is a good deal for gore. more expansion=more people=more money, and that cant be bad for gore. i mean, if gore becomes more of a tourist destination, other than more people/traffic, what are the disadvantages? i think it will just make them put more work into the mountain which will turn out good in the long run.

as far as snowmaking/opening more trails, if they(gore) know that more poeple are looking to ski at gore, i think theyd have more incentive to open more trails. granted we havnt had the most cooperative weather lately, but i dont think they could really run more of a destination type of place when they open with toploading to 1 trail...

hopefully next year weather will be colder and they can get it running earlier.

Wa
12-17-2006, 10:09 PM
Pataki has been great for both Gore and Whiteface, I hope our new gov will be as good.

The Rail system from Saratoga to North Creek seems like a waste to me, hope I'm wrong.

If anyone has any maps or specific info on the trail expansion please post it.

The train is one of my favorite parts. I can jump on a train from Penn Station after work and head up. Sunday after skiing I can drink and sleep my trip home.

I posted this before but since maps were requested again, I hosted the plan here: http://www.w-train.com/misc/gore.pdf
Thats the whole plan.

NPN
12-17-2006, 10:44 PM
Is "Burnt Ridge" the old North Creek Snow Bowl?

12-18-2006, 11:14 AM
Is "Burnt Ridge" the old North Creek Snow Bowl?

No.

kornfein
12-18-2006, 01:36 PM
Burnt Ridge is the ridge between the Ski bowl and Gore, skier left going down Twister They need to develop that first to link up the ski bowl, glad to see they dropped the idea of putting in the base to base gondola first. I spoke to an employee yesterday who claimed they also got $2M for expanded snowmaking as part of this expansion and that will make their snowmaking output comparable to Stratton.

jimmer
12-18-2006, 02:31 PM
I was just wondering if gore and the upper managment really want this expansion or its getting shoved at them by those wacky politicans. because i still think they wont be able to handle it, part of the reason i ski gore is cause its not a killing,stratton or an okemo,nice places but way way to many people. ski midweek .your ski experance will be much better than with the weekend wackpackers. as for the skitrain a total waste of money, you think gas is high,wait till you book a familyof 4 or 5 , itll be much cheapr to drive. and as far as the summit chair goes its only open fri. sat.sun. but we ski it and walk out it takes 5 to 10 minutes ,midweek

Harvey44
12-18-2006, 03:43 PM
I didn't know that they dropped the base to base gondi. THAT is great. (I couldn't really make out the picture that went with the article.)

I wonder what 2M buys when you spend it on snowmaking?

M

alexcaraco
12-18-2006, 04:06 PM
it wont buy freezing temperatures...

Harvey44
12-18-2006, 05:00 PM
Good purnt Alice.

Adk Keith
12-19-2006, 09:49 AM
I do wish they could open more terrain faster. Killington has 42 trails open right now, I don't see any reason that Gore only has 4, especially with the Hudson River in the backyard.

The top of Killington and Killington base (at least the one on the road that turns opposite rte. 100) are 1000' higher than Gore. I suspect that makes a big difference.

alexcaraco
12-19-2006, 04:16 PM
yup^. its colder basically. cant make snow when its 45 out...

12-19-2006, 04:52 PM
I literally can't imagine what I'd do if I was head of operations at Gore Mountain.

I think I actually may strive to be that in life....just for a few years.

Harvey44
12-19-2006, 05:06 PM
I'd look for all the brown spots during the afternoon. Then I'd set a gun up at each one. Then at night as soon as the temp went below 28 degrees I'd start blasting two guns on each spot, and I'd blast all night long, huge piles that I could spread out. Maybe I'd even get tempature sensitive switches that would start the blasting automatically. I'd ride around on a snowmobile all night long to make sure everything was going good. Then at first light, I'd rip some tracks before the mountain was open. Then I would go home an make oatmeal and go to bed.

Think I could get the job?

Harvey44
04-30-2008, 02:38 PM
Check out the site today...photo of some new lift parts.

Not sure of exactly what I'm looking at.

http://goremountain.com/mountain/photos.cfm

twinplanx
05-05-2008, 11:48 PM
Pataki has been great for both Gore and Whiteface, I hope our new gov will be as good.

The Rail system from Saratoga to North Creek seems like a waste to me, hope I'm wrong.


So what's the deal w/ this rail system? Gas was a bit cheaper 2 yrs ago...don't think I'm the only one who would consider the option.

megatron
05-06-2008, 11:36 AM
Pataki has been great for both Gore and Whiteface, I hope our new gov will be as good.

The Rail system from Saratoga to North Creek seems like a waste to me, hope I'm wrong.


So what's the deal w/ this rail system? Gas was a bit cheaper 2 yrs ago...don't think I'm the only one who would consider the option.

The rail line "dream" is a waste of taxpayers' money, so do not get your hopes up.


http://www.postimage.org/PqGXmMi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqGXmMi)

twinplanx
05-07-2008, 08:09 PM
no offense tron but I think many downstaters may disagree w/ your opinion.

megatron
05-08-2008, 08:27 AM
It is not the first time a downstater disagreed with my opinion, and it will certainly not be the last :twisted:


http://www.postimage.org/aV1Q82MA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1Q82MA)

Harvey44
05-11-2008, 08:14 PM
Part of a press release from Emily:

http://www.firsttracksonline.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4455

I think this was also in the News Enterprise recently.

Harvey44
06-04-2008, 06:52 PM
Looks like the map has been updated:

http://www.goremountain.com/mountain/trailmap.htm

Harvey44
06-10-2008, 09:54 PM
BR Quad Line:


http://www.postimage.org/gx4j5IJ.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx4j5IJ)

ComeBackMudPuddles
06-11-2008, 08:21 AM
am i missing something? did they basically clear some glades, cut one trail (plus a trail from the lodge to the lift) and install a HSQ? are more trails coming?

(sorry - i'm lazy to look up the master plan and am otherwise out of the loop....)

Harvey44
06-12-2008, 01:23 PM
Couldn't figure out how to download/upload this video. It's overproduced, but hey I like it.


Go to this page:

http://goremountain.com/mountain/improvements.cfm


And click on:

"Look at this hi-def aerial of Gore's newest peak."

Denison
06-12-2008, 09:31 PM
not sure what they meant by "hi-def" - the video appears in a pretty small window

too many captions like "MORE GORE" popping out every second...

nice work by cameraman though

highpeaksdrifter
06-14-2008, 06:35 PM
I copied this from another forum. I had not seen it before.

http://www.thelagroup.net/resort/3.pdf

07-09-2008, 01:28 PM
Damn. I was thinking about a course there the other day...

Harvey44
07-19-2008, 08:51 PM
Well...this isn't NEWS but I took a little stroll today. Down Cedars to the base of the BR Quad. They are doing a great job from what I can tell. Lots of well thought out drainage.

I got pretty excited about it. Cedars has more pitch than I imagined... it's a sort of a cross between Sunway and Twister. At least it won't be a chore. Sagamore, the black, from the bottom looks very cool. Lots of pitch at the bottom. There are some rocks below the lift that look to be Huckable after a few years and a big dump. There is real potential over there. (Charlie!) Sorry no pics, but my camera bit it at WF this year.

adkskier
08-31-2008, 11:31 AM
Has anyone else noticed that this will be, yet another, detachable lift without off line storage? While the gondola has storage, it goes unused. They've eliminated the storage barn for the Burnt Ridge chairs. This means that when there is freezing rain or icing from snow making, this lift will probably be the last to open. Following a night of icing, the lift maintenance guys often have to climb every tower to knock the ice off the wheel assemblies and then they deal with frozen grips as they enter the upper and lower terminals. Every other ski area with detachables puts the chairs away at night.

megatron
09-05-2008, 09:46 AM
Hi All;

The choppers have been working feverishly the last two days ferrying concrete to from up the tower bases. I have attached some photos.

C
http://www.postimage.org/gxOutHr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxOutHr)

http://www.postimage.org/gxOuBaS.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxOuBaS)

http://www.postimage.org/gxOuDG0.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxOuDG0)

Harvey44
09-05-2008, 10:28 AM
FANTASTIC STUFF! Thanks Megaman.

midwestblues
09-09-2008, 09:19 AM
Do you think based on what you have seen last week, that they will have this lift done for the 2008/2009 season? We are not far from 1st snow (2 months) and I don't see any towers up yet.
THanks for the continued updates. Eric

megatron
09-09-2008, 01:12 PM
The concrete needs 2 weeks of cure time. The towers are scheduled to be put up around the first week of October. Official opening of the chair will hopefully be determined by snow!
http://www.postimage.org/gx12N_5A.gif (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx12N_5A)

C



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megatron
10-01-2008, 02:21 PM
Here is the action from today!
http://www.postimage.org/gxof_Z0.gif (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxof_Z0)



http://www.postimage.org/PqqWlPi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqqWlPi)


http://www.postimage.org/gxogVli.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxogVli)

C



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jimmer
10-01-2008, 06:14 PM
nice job cork,ive herd that only one trail will have snowmaking on it this year,what have you herd?plus the only way to get to this lift is from the base area,wich involves a bit of a trek. cya soon

Harvey44
10-02-2008, 09:12 AM
Very cool pic on the site today:
http://www.postimage.org/PqtAtoi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqtAtoi)

Harvey44
10-21-2008, 06:17 PM
Nice new pic of Burnt Ridge. For some reason...couldn't resize and embed:

http://goremountain.com/mountain/photos.cfm

mattchuck2
10-21-2008, 08:58 PM
Yeah . . . Solid Picture . . . That one trail (Sagamore?) looks like it would be sick on a powder day.

I want to see Cables on those lifts, though!!!! C'mon . . . The snow flies tonight!!!

ComeBackMudPuddles
10-22-2008, 07:58 AM
Wow....From that angle the area looks SOLID. Nice....


http://goremountain.com/admin/db/images/20081013205631687.jpg

Lbtchnlgs
10-22-2008, 09:57 AM
Mud puddles I said "ohh niice" when I went to the site this morning. It looks like it's going to be fun over there

Harvey44
10-27-2008, 06:19 PM
not sure what they meant by "hi-def" - the video appears in a pretty small window

too many captions like "MORE GORE" popping out every second...

nice work by cameraman though

I sent this note to marketing through the suggestion box on the website. Feel free to copy and paste it if you agree:

Could you post a version of the Burnt Ridge aerial video without the graphics? It would be so cool if you could actually see the video. I understand the need to do marketing but you really can't see anything.

Thanks.

Harvey44
10-30-2008, 03:54 PM
From the website...the caption leads you to believe that they've got the BRQ strung and running. But maybe they just climbed a pole.

http://www.postimage.org/aV2jF8yi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV2jF8yi)

Harvey44
11-13-2008, 04:56 PM
Looks like they added the new stuff to the trail report:

http://goremountain.com/snowreport/alpine-conditions.cfm

Harvey44
12-15-2008, 07:50 AM
From the site today:

"Look for snowmakers on ECHO- Burnt Ridge Mountain will be opening soon, check back for details!"

TomCat
12-15-2008, 09:24 AM
You could see the guns firing on Echo from the triple chair on Sunday.

tom

Snowballs
12-15-2008, 09:59 AM
i heard that echo is the only trail over there that has snowmaking. supposedly the dynamite blasting was more involved($1,000,000.00) and it ate into the snowmaking equipment budget. hope not.

megatron
12-15-2008, 10:10 AM
Echo and Cedars both have snowmaking this year, and are setup with guns right now awaiting the cold. Sagamore will have its' snowmaking equipment installed next year.

C




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