All;
Let's not beat this any more!!!! Let's agree to disagree on some points.

I never said I could run it better....heavens knows, I don't have the skills. Maybe mgt has their hands tied with the State, I don't know, but I think it could be better.

One thing that would help is really opening up the surrounding area for outside development, (I can hear this now!), and letting commercial ventures bring beds/skier visits into the area. That would deepen the pockets, no? Do I want this?....not at all; you asked for possible suggestions and I'm providing one.

If closing a lift or two during the week is really gonna make-or-break the budget, then they have big problems! I still think we're getting hosed by not having access to that terraion we have paid for with our passes/day tickets. If other areas can provide access to their trails, why can't Gore?

Do I, personally, want more skiers?....of course not! Remember that I grew up in the 60's and injustices really piss us off .

At the end of the day, I still wanna ski High Peaks and North during the week....sorry if some disagree, but that's what makes this country great.

Still a really great mountain and I really like it.

How 'bout we quit now?

Cliff wrote:

Let's not beat this any more!!!!

I thought that was the whole point of the internet?

OK Cliff I'll give it up. But watch what you wish for.

Harvey44 wrote:

Cliff wrote: Let's not beat this any more!!!! I thought that was the whole point of the internet? OK Cliff I'll give it up. But watch what you wish for.

Hi Harvey!
If you read my original post, (and not hidden), was my hope that mountain mgt would read it and pick up on some of the issues I pointed out. Maybe they don't really see things the way a "regular" skier sees 'em and maybe the State has them tied up. BUT, I don't think it wouldn't take much to open another lift weekdays and maybe move a snowgun so as not to create a "terrain park" where one was not intended.

My hope was to have all benefit.

I kinda figured that I'd elicit some defensive response from the "Gorelings". I'm a true realist and try hard to look at things for what they are and don't give loyalties just "because".

This isn't a personal attack on anyone, so please don't take it as such. You all have posted many, many good issues and I don't want to make enemies.

Peace, genntlemen.

Harvey44 wrote:

Cliff wrote: Let's not beat this any more!!!! I thought that was the whole point of the internet?

DEFINITELY . . .

Especially in the middle of summer . . .

I think everybody would like it if the whole mountain was open all week, but the moutain obviously isn't. It would also be great if we got 400 inches of snow a year, but we don't. And if ifs and buts were candies and nuts, it'd be Christmas every day.

I think instead of complaining about how the mountain is set up on any particular day, your time would be better spent figuring out how to maximize the terrain available. Just one man's opinion.

Also, please understand that I'm not trying to intentionally pick fights here. I really am genuinely interested on what people think about how to improve the mountain . . . I know that I have a lot of different opinions than all of my friends. and there are a lot of times where a solution (more onslope lodging/development) may create more problems than it solves.

mattchuck2 wrote:

...there are a lot of times where a solution (more onslope lodging/development) may create more problems than it solves.

This is what I was thinking. I'm having a hard time seeing how the ski bowl development will help the pure skiing experience. It seems to me that it's going to add more skiers than terrain. One thing I love about Gore now...if you use half your brain, you never have to wait in a liftline. I'd hate to lose that.

I realize that there is more to life in North Creek than skiing. IF all of that development improves life in the Creek, that's important.

I'm hoping to move up in the next 15 years. At that point I'll probably just ski weekdays and powder days. If the mountain get too crowded for me, I guess I'll slink back into the Siamese where I came from.

OK, OK, some more thoughts from a cranky old f*art;


• Taxpayers: the more I think about it, why not let ‘em foot some of the bill? After all, we pay for State parks, boat launches, picnic areas, etc. Why not skiing? So what if everybody doesn’t use the hill? I don’t use everything else that I pay for that others use.
• Profit: when I see the lots overflowing down the access road most weekends, I have to think that if a profit isn’t being made, somthin’s wrong.
• Development: I certainly don’t want it!! I’m selfish enough to want to keep Gore the way it is. I was just suggesting that if there’s no other way to make money, that’s how the “big guys” do it. And yes, I do know how to avoid lines. My first time to Gore was ~ 1965 or so. How ‘bout most of you?
• IMHO, there are those that have placed, (or should I say misplaced), a loyalty to the mountain. Listen guys, this is a business and they should be making money in order to say viable. Your loyalties should be first and foremost to yourselves and families, not a ski resort. The resort could give a crap less if you live or die, there’s always more where you came from to put fannies on the lift. If you feel that not providing a full selection of trails midweek is OK, then you’re suffering from a severe case of “Lowered Expectations”. I, for one, want my money’s worth! Maybe when you get older and can really see a fixed income just around the corner, it’ll look different to you.
• If they want to charge near-Vermont prices, then they should provide near-Vermont services.

Peace and love, and when's this stinkin' rain gonna stop?

You all have way too much time on your hands


C

Hi Meg;
Yeah, I know, but it breaks up the workday. Actually, I was trying to walk away from this no-win when I got a push from behind:
OK Cliff I'll give it up. But watch what you wish for.[/quote]
Guess I can't have some agree that I may have a valid point even if they don't feel it pertains to them.

Oh well......
Stay dry!

Just my $.02 on lift openings, or lack thereof. I think Gore is a great mountain. Lots of interesting terrain. However, their policy to keep certain lifts closed midweek makes me reluctant to choose Gore when I want to take a midweek ski day. How many others are there like me? I don't know. Is the revenue they could be losing more than what it would cost to turn those lifts midweek? Don't know that one either. Just some food for thought..........

Wow! Someone who agrees with me. Maybe I should offer to buy dinner .

Anyway, let me try this approach:
Let's say, hypothetically, that Gore were to hire a real honest-to-gosh marketing type and let him/her make some policy decisions. Now, if you look around any mountain, you'll see that the majority of skiers are blue/green skiers. OK, let's suppose the marketing person decides to select the midweek lift closings by skier demographics. Hmmmmm, I wonder what the reaction would be if Straightbrook was chosen? Betcha the screams would be heard all the way to ORDA!!
Don't the blue/green skiers count, or are they just those folks who get in the way of the elite heading to their holy grails? "Screw 'em, right?, I got mine".
Look, it's simple, if the terrain is open and accessable on the weekend, it should be so weekdays. Why can't the blue/green folks have variety too?
Hoo boy!

I have friends that love Gore but won't consider it early in the season due to the slow snow making relative to VT. I've got to believe that are many others who choose other mountains mid week due to the more limited open terrain.

Whether it makes business sense to make more snow early and open more lifts mid week I don't know. I've suggested to gore that they open North and High Peaks on alternating days so mid weekers can experience the whole mountain. I will give them credit for making a consistent effort to have more terrain open on Fridays so those of us lucky enough for a three day weekend know which three days to choose.

tom

C

megatron wrote:

C

My thoughts exactly . . .

allrite heres my useless drivel,i ski mid-wek mostly,from my point,they usually spend most of the week getting ready for the weekenders witch i think sucks,oh sure we get a few days of good stuff,but its with snow guns a blarin[witch i dont mind at all]trals closed,lifts closed,not much groomig,but do i complain,hell no,we just head for the trees.,the gang i ski with can make even the shitiest of days a blast,if youv got thick enough skin that is,so quit yer bitchen and just go ski,damm it.

btw,how you doin cork?hope your havin a good summer and well be seein you soon.

jimmer b
oh and dont believe that stuff where i said i dont complain.

FN halarious!!!!!! ...