Harvey44 wrote:

I learned this weekend that I've really underestimated the need for solid park skills for a tree skier. Especially an early season tree skier. While some passageways have handicap access: ... many of the entrances require good rail skills. Fuje ... would you teach a teleboy to ride the rails? I like the sparks!

If you enjoy having round edges, sure! Although I'm not sure how similar doing them on alpine vs. tele would be. A friend of mine was throwing some decent stuff on tele the other day though. Sliding all the rails/boxes, and did a 5 on the last jump. Landing switch (backwards) on tele really had me amazed.

snowballs wrote:

last i heard, you were Joey-ing the park Harv. Here's a hint....don't ever tell the Park Rats that you're hitting their jumps without hitting the elements. They don't like that. Very Happy

This! hah. Main issue with the park being on Wild Air right now is the amount of non-terrain park traffic going through there. I don't blame them cause I was making some nice gs turns and it was the only place on the mountain I could hold an edge. But the smaller jumps are there for learning on, the lips for rails/boxes are for hitting the rails/boxes. And if there's a couple of people waiting around in front of a feature, it's probably best to not go between them and the feature or worse go off the lip for the rails/box - chances are you're cutting someone off who has been waiting to hit it. Even worse is taking your kids over the lips for the rails/bigger jumps.

fujative. wrote:

if there's a couple of people waiting around in front of a feature, it's probably best to not go between them and the feature or worse go off the lip for the rails/box - chances are you're cutting someone off who has been waiting to hit it.

Fuje - I guess when you put the park on wild air, and it has the best or only decent snow, you get Joeys and Harvs in there. What I was doing was hitting the lips on the upper rails at the very top, skiers left. I definitely did not understand that I shouldn't be using them. There were grooves on those lips that indicated that people were using them like I was, and it sounds like that's a problem.

I may be park uneducated, but I know what cutting someone off is about, and I was aware of others around me.

Maybe a big sign at the top with a park notes for the masses. If there was one I missed it.

My original post was kind of a joke, but I learned something. Thanks.

No worries, Harv. I've Joey-ed a bit on Sleighride myself. When there's few other jumps on the hill, i've also hit the jumps for the park elements while skipping the rails. Not sure it does any harm as long as one doesn't just roll over them. For me it's a once and a while thing. Now that Gore has more of a park, there SHOULD be jumps for us like Fuj said.

Landing switch on Tele-ies would be boss. Let us know if you perfect it.

Harv, I noticed you skied 4-5 sucessive days on Tele-ies. It's early season and yo legs can't be in that kinda Tele shape from skiing. I doubt that you go skiing just for an hour or three. What do you do to keep in shape? Strap logs on your back and hike hills? Carry Fatties up five flights of stairs ? Are you on the juice? what's your secret? That's was a rather robust performance for a 50ish weatherdude.

Harvey44 wrote:

fujative. wrote: if there's a couple of people waiting around in front of a feature, it's probably best to not go between them and the feature or worse go off the lip for the rails/box - chances are you're cutting someone off who has been waiting to hit it. Fuje - I guess when you put the park on wild air, and it has the best or only decent snow, you get Joeys and Harvs in there. What I was doing was hitting the lips on the upper rails at the very top, skiers left. I definitely did not understand that I shouldn't be using them. There were grooves on those lips that indicated that people were using them like I was, and it sounds like that's a problem. My original post was kind of a joke, but I learned something. Thanks.

It's not really a big deal, especially if there aren't a whole lotta people around. It just gets frustrating when there is a group of people seshing it and someone comes through doing that. I usually keep the hate to a minimum but there's a reason park rats have a bad reputation.. stereotypes have to come from somewhere. Definitely plenty of kids out there sippin' on the hatorade.

The post was moreso disguised at directed to you but for all to read, members and non-members.. I figured it was a joke but though it'd be good to throw it out there. No hard feelings.

"There were grooves on those lips that indicated that people were using them like I was, and it sounds like that's a problem."


Never fully understood that. If I take off from it over the top (not off to the side of the takeoff), what does it matter if I hit the rail or not? The feature is still maintained, ain't it?

Had a park ranger from Whiteface chase me down last year and read me the riot act about it. Wasn't worth arguing with him so I just yes'd him and moved on...

Those were my thoughts too, Siawol. They are fun jumps for launching.

But I suppose the extra traffic may wear them down quicker and thus require more unnecessary work OR be a safety issue in that the expected launch may not be good enough to gain sufficient elevation.

Still, it's sometimes hard to have sympathy for a bunch of bad attitude boarders.

I know, I know, they're getting better and not all are punks but there are a few standouts. Is that what poles are for?

Can someone define Joey?

I can honestly say I will probably never land switch on purpose. Don't mistake my enthusiasm for expertise.

The most days I ever skied consecutively was nine, last christmas and the year before. By day eight I was totally whipped and could barely get my skis around. I almost always start first thing (except spring) and go til about 3:15. If I am alone (sans family) I'll ski til close, and maybe hit the Tannery.

I am not in great shape. Not bad, but not great. I run on adrenaline. I just love skiing.

My biggest problem is getting home. The stretch between Albany and the NJ border is sooooo boring. Sometimes I have such a hard time staying awake that I have to take naps, and a 5 hr drive stretches to seven.

Back to the thread at hand ... I definitely didn't roll over the top of those jumps. I was going to say that I'll stay out of there, but I'll go back in and learn by watching. And I promise to stop asking every guy in there if his name is Ted.

Fuje - sorry I didn't hear you when you called out. Where on the hill was that? I'm in dreamland when I ski.

Harvey44 wrote:

Fuje - sorry I didn't hear you when you called out. Where on the hill was that? I'm in dreamland when I ski.

I believe that was me you Old Fart. Either way, you need to move up here where you belong and ditch that " deadfull " drive to Jersey. There is not a one of us anywhere , who enjoyed hearing that you are falling asleep on your way home! What are you thinking ? You have a following damn it ! People are gonna be monster sad if anything happens to you and the Harvetts on your way home. You need to cut that out immediately. Just move up here where you know you belong and start to truly, really enjoy life. You and yours will love it here! Guaranteed. Word. It's Mega Cool.

SIAWOL wrote:

Never fully understood that. If I take off from it over the top (not off to the side of the takeoff), what does it matter if I hit the rail or not?

I guess it's generally frowned upon from the stereotype of people doing it. The majority of the people you see doing it are the weekend warriors headed out who are unaware of their surroundings and/or cutting people off. Like I said it wasn't directed right towards Harv, I know he's a respectable skier whose going to be aware if his surroundings. Just in general a lot of park kids are little piss ants and won't be too happy with it, a friendly warning.

Harvey44 wrote:

Can someone define Joey? I can honestly say I will probably never land switch on purpose. Don't mistake my enthusiasm for expertise Back to the thread at hand ... I definitely didn't roll over the top of those jumps. I was going to say that I'll stay out of there, but I'll go back in and learn by watching. And I promise to stop asking every guy in there if his name is Ted. Fuje - sorry I didn't hear you when you called out. Where on the hill was that? I'm in dreamland when I ski.

Jersey/Downstate Gaper.

Don't get too worried about the not landing switch thing. Skiing switch is a task in itself, let alone landing like that off a jump. Especially on tele. Although it's pretty awesome, definitely not something needed in your bag o tricks to be a good all mountain skier. Then again... I would enjoy seeing a guy in his mid 50's making some switch carves on tele

I'm not trying to scare you out by any means, the best way of learning is experience. I know when I'm older I'm still going to be heading through the parks for some entertainment.

I saw you ripping on skiers right of the bottom jump, I think that's when I yelled your name. Then you were standing to skiers left of it spectating. I'm not sure if I called your name then or not. Then a few days later I saw you skiers left of Topridge when I was on TR3, but I didn't bother trying to yell because you were pretty Far away.

I was pretty hard to miss, but I ruined the zipper on my coat (Oh well it was time for a new one anyways). The one I'm using now is a bit harder to spot. Brown coat/Brown pants.
My setup from the past 2.5 seasons:




OK time to stop procrastinating... back to physics/eco homework.

I rode this park several times on several weekends since Dec. always somebody being hauled away. Why? Because as usual the terrain parks at gore are light years behind vermont areas. Please go to okemo gore people and see how it should be done. Wild air has people and little kids skiing across approaches to jumps or cutting in and going off jumps when people are dropping in. The jumps and landings do not look like they are designed in the right proportions and they are rutted ard iced up on approach and landing. How are you supposed to go off the first jump when you have to go sideways (or under the rope) to hit it?

At least sleighride was roped off with some warning. I don't want to have to go through Stratton's video lesson before riding in the park but Gore must have lots of lawyers to just open up a trail with jumps with no warnings, no staff to keep an eye on terrain etiquette, and trails with non terrain riders crossing over. Who thinks of this stuff? You are better off spreading some jumps around the mountain to thin out the crowds. This place is run llke state workers are in charge.

bsmaven wrote:

I rode this park several times on several weekends since Dec. always somebody being hauled away. Why? Because as usual the terrain parks at gore are light years behind vermont areas. Please go to okemo gore people and see how it should be done. Wild air has people and little kids skiing across approaches to jumps or cutting in and going off jumps when people are dropping in. The jumps and landings do not look like they are designed in the right proportions and they are rutted ard iced up on approach and landing. How are you supposed to go off the first jump when you have to go sideways (or under the rope) to hit it? At least sleighride was roped off with some warning. I don't want to have to go through Stratton's video lesson before riding in the park but Gore must have lots of lawyers to just open up a trail with jumps with no warnings, no staff to keep an eye on terrain etiquette, and trails with non terrain riders crossing over. Who thinks of this stuff? You are better off spreading some jumps around the mountain to thin out the crowds. This place is run llke state workers are in charge.

please refere too excuse 142-7,and if that dosnt answer ur concerns,well, its cause mike pratt said....

jimmer wrote:

bsmaven wrote: I rode this park several times on several weekends since Dec. always somebody being hauled away. Why? Because as usual the terrain parks at gore are light years behind vermont areas. Please go to okemo gore people and see how it should be done. Wild air has people and little kids skiing across approaches to jumps or cutting in and going off jumps when people are dropping in. The jumps and landings do not look like they are designed in the right proportions and they are rutted ard iced up on approach and landing. How are you supposed to go off the first jump when you have to go sideways (or under the rope) to hit it? At least sleighride was roped off with some warning. I don't want to have to go through Stratton's video lesson before riding in the park but Gore must have lots of lawyers to just open up a trail with jumps with no warnings, no staff to keep an eye on terrain etiquette, and trails with non terrain riders crossing over. Who thinks of this stuff? You are better off spreading some jumps around the mountain to thin out the crowds. This place is run llke state workers are in charge. please refere too excuse 142-7,and if that dosnt answer ur concerns,well, its cause mike pratt said....

hehehehe^^^

bsmaven said " Who thinks of this stuff? " hehehe. Why it's the same braintrust who " thunked up " the Ski Train, the lift to downtown North Creek and the lift from the Ski Bowl base to Gore's base!

Don't forget all the Forests who support, nay applaud! these outrageous ideas. You know who you are.

Yepper, can't wait to see what next year brings........

bsmaven wrote:

How are you supposed to go off the first jump when you have to go sideways (or under the rope) to hit it?

The rope was originally up about 20' higher. Patrol made us lower it so people would see the sign.

bsmaven wrote:

At least sleighride was roped off with some warning. I don't want to have to go through Stratton's video lesson before riding in the park but Gore must have lots of lawyers to just open up a trail with jumps with no warnings

We do have signs. They're at the entrance to every terrain park and a few scattered throughout them.

bsmaven wrote:

no staff to keep an eye on terrain etiquette

We currently have 5 people working terrain park. Usually 2 on hill midweek and 3 on weekend. We try telling some people about etiquette, they usually get offended and ski away. Last year we ordered a bunch of pamphlets with park safety stuff that we handed out to people, we'd usually find them on the trail about 50 feet down.

The hardest part about trying to keep the park orderly is only having 1 park on-hill (there's JibLand too, but I wouldn't really consider that on-hill) is that there is no beginner, medium, and large parks. Everyone goes through the same park, and it keeps things on the hectic side. If I had a say on what happened with how the park was ran, there are definitely quite a few things I'd do different.

Fuj, you guys deserve a lot of credit for putting up with a difficult situation on Wild Air. As an observer and not a participant in the terrain park, I have to say that the park looks the best that it's ever been. Keep at it. Would it be possible to move the park down-mountain and squeeze the features into the area of Stokes and the skier's left half of Arena? A more significant fence could be constructed across the top of Stokes to provide better separation, and the park would still have visibility from the lift, plus the added benefit of great visibility from the base area. Don't know if everything could be compressed into that area, just thinkin'.... BTW, is it you or one of the other park guys who wears pants with a Plattekill patch?

Jeff wrote:

Fuj, you guys deserve a lot of credit for putting up with a difficult situation on Wild Air. As an observer and not a participant in the terrain park, I have to say that the park looks the best that it's ever been. Keep at it. Would it be possible to move the park down-mountain and squeeze the features into the area of Stokes and the skier's left half of Arena? A more significant fence could be constructed across the top of Stokes to provide better separation, and the park would still have visibility from the lift, plus the added benefit of great visibility from the base area. Don't know if everything could be compressed into that area, just thinkin'.... BTW, is it you or one of the other park guys who wears pants with a Plattekill patch?

It has been brought up but there needs to be a non-park trail from Sleighride down to the arena. Also, seeing as I'd say there isn't even enough stuff on the main part of Wild Air itself to be full enough that gives us a reason to expand.

The guy with the Plattekill patch is Chad, not me.