In Vermont someone can't sue for lets say you are bald. In ny warrented or not they can. I forget what the legal terms are for it but it is BSOriginally Posted by highpeaksdrifter
So if someone is good enough to get down the slides but dont look as "cool" as you they shouldn't be in there. Thats BS.Originally Posted by mattchuck2
In Vermont someone can't sue for lets say you are bald. In ny warrented or not they can. I forget what the legal terms are for it but it is BSOriginally Posted by highpeaksdrifter
Only been to WF 6 times in winter season. Slides have not been opened, so I have not skied them, but looked at them in a wishing kind of way.
Set up a becon access gate---to cull out "non-prepared" skiers. I know that anyone can get a becon at any time and snow plow, but as a general statement, this would not happen. When conditions are perfect----open the gate to anyone as it is now.
With this idea...maybe they could open the slides 10 or more days, more often per yr.
All this said....Mtn mgmt points to ski patrol who Must take the conservative approach. I would never blame Ski Patrol....
If the guidelines were loosed by mtn mgmt "in writing" then Ski Patrol could be more liberal with opening.
I didn't say that . . . we were talking about a hypothetical skier doing snowplows on the Slides . . . That guy should definitely not be in there.Originally Posted by tjf67
I heard that too (probably the same kind of place you heard it - "mountain management"). But in the New York State Law Concerning Ski Area Safety, the only thing I can find that would prohibit boundary to boundary skiing is this little nugget:Originally Posted by highpeaksdrifter
Inspect each open ski slope or trail that is open to the public within the ski area at least twice a day, and enter the results of such inspection in a log which shall be available for examination by the commissioner. The log shall note:
(1) the general surface conditions of such trail at the time of inspection (powder, packed powder, frozen granular, icy patches or icy surface, bare spots or other surface conditions);
(2) the time of inspection and the name of the inspector; and
(3) the existence of any obstacles or hazards other than those which may arise from:
(i) skier use;
(ii) weather variations, including freezing and thawing; or
(iii) mechanical failure of snow grooming or emergency equipment which may position such equipment within the borders of a slope or trail.
i.e. by law, Patrollers have to inspect every open area twice a day and write a report on it. It would require an awful lot of manpower (or an awful small mountain) to keep a boundary to boundary policy in NYS.
It's a tough debate. You can't push opening when there is moderate avy danger, if someone gets caught the isn't really worth it. Rescues take lost of trained professionals, money, and negative publicity. Look at what happened out West this past winter. People were afraid to ski in-bounds due to avy dangers.
Unfortunately you can't bomb in the adks or I'm sure they'd be open 70% of the time. It would be a MASSIVE draw and good for business, but it's just not possible.
Listen to the wind, It'll tell you things
How many days a winter is there significant avy danger at whiteface? Wouldn't this same avy danger close skyward, cloudspin...Originally Posted by Lbtchnlgs
Although avalanches are possible - maybe a few days per year.- anything is possible- and precautions should be taken - Significant avalanches are just not that big of an issue at whiteface.
Avalanche danger may close the slides a few days but the slides were closed every day last year.
didnt they even have a small avvy on upper skyward midway through last season?...yet it was still open for most of the second halfOriginally Posted by asland
skiing for life...
Yes.Originally Posted by whitefaceman
It happened early a.m., before the lift was open to the public.
It is depressing how little the're open.I have a feeling the SV glades will be the same.But it's not just Whiteface,I'd like to know how many days the front four at Stowe were open.I'll bet not many,considering 300 inches ayear.